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Al Kipone schreef op 12 mei 2020 21:22:

Ja, als je het zo bekijkt valt hij in dat rijtje inderdaad netjes ergens in het midden.

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Caveat schreef op 12 mei 2020 21:41:

De New York Times publiceerde onlangs een lijst met alle leugens en valse statements die Trump tot nu toe heeft gemaakt. Waarop Trump supporters reageerden: ” Maar als je zo’n lijst voor de vorige presidenten maakt, zou het net zo erg zijn.”

Dat moest natuurlijk ontkracht worden. Daarom heeft de New York Times alle leugens van Trump naast die van Obama gelegd en het resultaat is net zo schrikbarend als voorspelbaar. Trump heeft in zijn eerste jaar als president al meer dan 100 keer iets gezegd wat achteraf niet waar blijkt te zijn. Pathologische leugenaar dat ‘ie is. Obama wist in 8 jaar tijd 18 keer iets te zeggen wat niet waar leek te zijn.

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ff_relativeren schreef op 12 mei 2020 21:46:

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@ Caveat,

heb je er een bronvermelding bij ? (linkje naar het bewuste artikel)

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ff_relativeren schreef op 12 mei 2020 21:46:

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@ Caveat,

heb je er een bronvermelding bij ? (linkje naar het bewuste artikel)

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Ed Verbeek schreef op 13 mei 2020:

Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) gave quite the earful to a home-bound Dr. Anthony Fauci on Tuesday over the COVID-19 lockdown that has crippled the US economy.

Paul, a medical doctor, noted during the Senate hearing before the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pension Committee, that the mortality rate among children 'approaches zero', and that for those aged 18-45 "the mortality in New York was 10 out of 100,000."

"The history of this when we look back will be wrong prediction after wrong prediction after wrong prediction... As much as I respect you, Dr. Fauci, I don't think you're the end all, I don't think you're the one person that gets to make a decision," said Paul - who added that we need to "observe with an open eye what happened in Sweden, where the kids kept going to school."

"The mortality per capita in Sweden is actually less than France, less than Italy, less than Spain, less than Belgium, less than the Netherlands, about the same as Switzerland. But basically I don't think there's anybody arguing that what happened in Sweden is an unacceptable result. I think people are intrigued by it, and we should be."
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There have been more people wrong with modeling than right.

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Ed Verbeek schreef op 13 mei 2020:

Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) gave quite the earful to a home-bound Dr. Anthony Fauci on Tuesday over the COVID-19 lockdown that has crippled the US economy.

Paul, a medical doctor, noted during the Senate hearing before the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pension Committee, that the mortality rate among children 'approaches zero', and that for those aged 18-45 "the mortality in New York was 10 out of 100,000."

"The history of this when we look back will be wrong prediction after wrong prediction after wrong prediction... As much as I respect you, Dr. Fauci, I don't think you're the end all, I don't think you're the one person that gets to make a decision," said Paul - who added that we need to "observe with an open eye what happened in Sweden, where the kids kept going to school."

"The mortality per capita in Sweden is actually less than France, less than Italy, less than Spain, less than Belgium, less than the Netherlands, about the same as Switzerland. But basically I don't think there's anybody arguing that what happened in Sweden is an unacceptable result. I think people are intrigued by it, and we should be."
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There have been more people wrong with modeling than right.

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DurianCS schreef op 13 mei 2020 00:16:

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Ja, goed punt over Zweden. En dat het aantal doden daar vele malen groter is dan in Denemarken, Noorwegen en Finland gezamenlijk is een onbelangrijk detail.

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Ed Verbeek schreef op 13 mei 2020:

Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) gave quite the earful to a home-bound Dr. Anthony Fauci on Tuesday over the COVID-19 lockdown that has crippled the US economy.

Paul, a medical doctor, noted during the Senate hearing before the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pension Committee, that the mortality rate among children 'approaches zero', and that for those aged 18-45 "the mortality in New York was 10 out of 100,000."

"The history of this when we look back will be wrong prediction after wrong prediction after wrong prediction... As much as I respect you, Dr. Fauci, I don't think you're the end all, I don't think you're the one person that gets to make a decision," said Paul - who added that we need to "observe with an open eye what happened in Sweden, where the kids kept going to school."

"The mortality per capita in Sweden is actually less than France, less than Italy, less than Spain, less than Belgium, less than the Netherlands, about the same as Switzerland. But basically I don't think there's anybody arguing that what happened in Sweden is an unacceptable result. I think people are intrigued by it, and we should be."
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There have been more people wrong with modeling than right.

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Beperktedijkbewaking schreef op 12 mei 2020 21:06:

Onderzoek van een stromingsfysicus bij MIT. Kijk en huiver:
edhub.ama-assn.org/jn-learning/video-...

"Recent work has demonstrated that exhalations, sneezes, and coughs comprise a multiphase turbulent gas cloud of exhaled air that entrains ambient air and traps and carries within it clusters of mucosalivary fluid droplets with a continuum of droplet sizes. ...
The video illustrates how mucosalivary liquid emissions, in the form of droplets of a continuous size range, are coupled with the hot, moist, and high momentum gas cloud, which traps and carries them forward up to 7 to 8 m (26 ft). This newer understanding of respiratory emission dynamics has implications for mask and respiratory design, social distancing recommendations, and other public health interventions."

Het onderliggende artikel bediscussieert ook de vraag of virologen (en andere deskundigen in het OMT) goed op de hoogte zijn van moderne bevindingen ohgv aerosolen en airborne transmission (zoals @gokker hier beweerde) of vooral zijn blijven hangen bij inzichten uit de 30-er jaren.