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vegas schreef op 6 september 2013 16:44:

@SNSN
Better early than too late. Just kidding. And now up KPN.
Good, vegas, accept your point. Although, don’t forget to thank that "event" (indices impact) at 15.30-15.45, as well as, a couple of (wrong) stops placed at 2.159 (i.e. too close to S1) and easy hit at ~15.43 with a small volume.

The last pattern target was successfully reached (shorters were closing before weekend), technical trading dominated by day-traders continues at extremely low volume ~16 M (almost the lowest from Jul, 16.... if you remember, exactly 16 m was average volume on the way down several months ago). Not too many people are ready to sell at current level, as the prob to repurchase (reasonably) lower is very small (indeed, the price level was ~2.10 before that “imaginary/intended takeover” ). A tactical play (actually "fight") for the fair evaluation for kpn continues......, and certainly not day-traders determine it

Nice weeken, everybody
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kippekop schreef op 6 september 2013 17:51:

Je zal ze maar hebben verkocht op € 2.136:-)
Tja echt zielig voor die nerveuze piepeltjes.
If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen. We're cooking tacos here!
manuss
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Mooi! als Telefonica iets meer geld ophaalt, kunnen ze meteen KPN erbij kopen, zijn wij tenminste van Slimpy af
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SNSN schreef op 6 september 2013 18:11:

[...]

Good, vegas, accept your point. Although, don’t forget to thank that "event" (indices impact) at 15.30-15.45, as well as, a couple of (wrong) stops placed at 2.159 (i.e. too close to S1) and easy hit at ~15.43 with a small volume.

The last pattern target was successfully reached (shorters were closing before weekend), technical trading dominated by day-traders continues at extremely low volume ~16 M (almost the lowest from Jul, 16.... if you remember, exactly 16 m was average volume on the way down several months ago). Not too many people are ready to sell at current level, as the prob to repurchase (reasonably) lower is very small (indeed, the price level was ~2.10 before that “imaginary/intended takeover” ). A tactical play (actually "fight") for the fair evaluation for kpn continues......, and certainly not day-traders determine it

Nice weeken, everybody
Nice weekend Snsn keep posting that good stuff!
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Als CS KPN heeft overgenomen moeten we direct allemaal ons abbonement bij KPN opzeggen,,lijkt me een leuk idee meteen miljoen klanten tegelijk ,,,als wraak voor zijn koers manupilatie,,die ouwe K>T maffio,s
Adek 2001
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giefmoney schreef op 6 september 2013 18:11:

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Tja echt zielig voor die nerveuze piepeltjes.
If you can't stand the heat stay out of the kitchen. We're cooking tacos here!
lol
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America Movil CFO sees telco maintaining credit ratings
By Anthony Harrup, Dow Jones Newswires
Friday 06 September 2013
Mexico-based operator faces possible downgrades as it gears up for €7.2bn KPN offer.

Mexican telecommunications company America Movil SAB is hopeful it can maintain its credit ratings after issuing long-term hybrid notes to lower its debt ratios, Chief Financial Officer Carlos Garcia Moreno said Thursday.

America Movil this week placed 2.1 billion euros in 60-year hybrid debt denominated in euros and sterling. Mr. Garcia Moreno said the notes, which ratings agencies treat as half equity, are aimed at improving the company's balance sheet and lowering its net debt to earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation and amortization, or Ebitda.

Standard & Poor's and Moody's Investors Service are reviewing America Movil's ratings, with the possibility of downgrades, after the company--controlled by billionaire Carlos Slim--said in August that it plans to make a EUR7.2 billion buyout offer for Dutch telecommunications company Royal KPN NV, of which it already owns close to 30%.

The buyout offer threw into question America Movil's commitment to its target of less than 1.5 times net debt to Ebidta. The ratio was above 1.6 times at the end of June.

Mr. Garcia Moreno said in an interview that America Movil's investment-grade ratings are among the highest in the western hemisphere for a telecommunications firm, and he wants to keep it that way. He said that he met recently with ratings agencies to discuss scenarios, and make it clear America Movil doesn't aim to increase its leverage."They're comfortable with this, and I have the impression that they could reaffirm the ratings," he said.

Fitch Ratings reaffirmed America Movil's ratings this week following the issuance of the hybrid debt.

Mr. Garcia Moreno declined to say anything about the KPN offer, for which America Movil had already secured financing commitments. The potential bid hit a major snag last week when an independent foundation set up to protect the interests of the Dutch firm exercised an option giving it just under 50% of KPN's voting rights.

America Movil disputed the foundation's assertions that its bid for KPN is hostile, but said it would consider withdrawing the offer if the foundation maintains its opposition to the transaction.

The KPN investment is part of America Movil's attempts at diversifying into Europe, having exhausted its acquisition possibilities in Latin America where it is the biggest mobile service provider. America Movil also has a 24% stake in Telekom Austria AG.

Mexican telecommunications company America Movil SAB is hopeful it can maintain its credit ratings after issuing long-term hybrid notes to lower its debt ratios, Chief Financial Officer Carlos Garcia Moreno said Thursday.

America Movil this week placed 2.1 billion euros in 60-year hybrid debt denominated in euros and sterling. Mr. Garcia
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Goed nieuws dus.movil goes short. moeten dus nog meer geld vrij maken. gaat hun koers idd van zakken...
als ik het goed begrijp.
zilvermeeuw
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beest37 schreef op 6 september 2013 18:09:

Goed nieuws toch van e plus?!
Het loopt enerzijds vooruit op een beslissing waarvan wij nog geen definitief uitsluitsel hebben,

anderzijds zou je kunnen zeggen wat een ezels daar bij telefonica. Die kopen wat en gaan daarna eens even kijken van wat voor geld ze het gaan betalen....
manuss
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Dat is spaans! Bij Telefonica werken allemaal debielen. Hola! he vivido muchos anos en Espagna. Spanjaarden plannen niet, zo doen maar wat, dus ook Telefonica en de regering daar vindt alles goed wat Telefonica doet. (rijmt mooi). Maar dat geld krijgt Telefonica echt wel bij elkaar. Regering steunt dit bedrijf. Verkoop Eplus dus geen enkel probleem. Trouwens J.Almunia is ook een spanjaard. Deal gesloten, no problema!!!
manuss
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manusolie schreef op 6 september 2013 19:50:

J.Almunia(eu commissaris) moet dit weekend nou maar eens zijn fiat geven inzake Eplus.
dat kan nog weken en waarschijnlijk maanden duren. Zo snel gaat dat echt niet,
manuss
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America Movil heeft genoeg geld vrijgemaakt om heel KPN over te nemen incl. extra geld verhoogd bod.
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er is inmiddels al een nieuw draadje aangemaakt. Zullen we daarop verder gaan met onze meningen te ventileren.
Adek 2001
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manusolie schreef op 6 september 2013 19:46:

Dat is spaans! Bij Telefonica werken allemaal debielen. Hola! he vivido muchos anos en Espagna. Spanjaarden plannen niet, zo doen maar wat, dus ook Telefonica en de regering daar vindt alles goed wat Telefonica doet. (rijmt mooi). Maar dat geld krijgt Telefonica echt wel bij elkaar. Regering steunt dit bedrijf. Verkoop Eplus dus geen enkel probleem. Trouwens J.Almunia is ook een spanjaard. Deal gesloten, no problema!!!
zouden Rutte en Samsom Spaans bloed hebben?
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