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Bas2012 schreef op 4 juli 2013 11:19:

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Normaal is het lastig te zeggen op basis van info van jullie beide eerlijk gezegd. SNSN geeft wild een getal. Jij countert dit met een procentuele geografische spreiding van insitutionele investors, maar ja een percentage van wat?

Gelukkig weten we het belang van AM in KPN en dat betekent dat het Mexico percentage redelijk in lijn ligt met overal aandelen, dus moet op basis van deze getallen minimaal 70% van de aandelen bij grote partijen zitten. (kan zelfs veel meer zijn aangezien het alleen grof te schatten is en er gebruik wordt gemaakt van een range. Iig is 60% totale aandelen bij kleine partijen in mijn opinie niet mogelijk hooguit 30 procent ofzo (en dat betwijfel ik al)
Elke dag vertelt SNSN (Some Nuts See Nothing):
Als we omhoog gaan dan testen we R1, daarna R2, etc...
Als we omlaag gaan dan testen we S1, daarna S2, etc...

Ik verwijs altijd naar mijn bron (zeer betrouwbare glazen bol).

(Disclaimer: wie dit leest is gek)
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Bas2012 schreef op 4 juli 2013 11:19:

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Normaal is het lastig te zeggen op basis van info van jullie beide eerlijk gezegd. SNSN geeft wild een getal. Jij countert dit met een procentuele geografische spreiding van insitutionele investors, maar ja een percentage van wat?

Gelukkig weten we het belang van AM in KPN en dat betekent dat het Mexico percentage redelijk in lijn ligt met overal aandelen, dus moet op basis van deze getallen minimaal 70% van de aandelen bij grote partijen zitten. (kan zelfs veel meer zijn aangezien het alleen grof te schatten is en er gebruik wordt gemaakt van een range). Iig is 60% totale aandelen bij kleine partijen in mijn opinie niet mogelijk, hooguit 30 procent ofzo en dat betwijfel ik al (denk eerder 10% a 15%)
When you talk about “big” and “small” – different people often think about very different stuff......

It’s like usual – “for whom how”. One person thinks about 100k as a “big number”, while another one has different views..... and 10mln for him/her is a “small number”..... But this is NOT the point.

The basic point is that a loss of several bln in kpn cap (price drop from 9-8 to 2.7-2.5) had to be accepted by somebody..... It’s not so easy if you have only few investors. But much easy, if you can spread those losses among larger number of smaller participants – each particular “loss” becomes much smaller and could be “acceptable” (under certain circumstances)......
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SNSN schreef op 4 juli 2013 11:41:

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Yes, you do need money.....that’s why not everyone can do it. But, if you “do trend” with your own money ONLY – you don’t have a good profit....

To “prescribe” the “trend” you need some money to “trigger” it.... supporting by extra portions (using price/volume distributions), as well as, “proper info” on later stages, and if you have “enough” small players – they will do the rest of job..... by following “your trend” (standard trading strategy).

"standard trading strategy" does not work anymore.
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SNSN schreef op 4 juli 2013 12:00:

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When you talk about “big” and “small” – different people often think about very different stuff......

It’s like usual – “for whom how”. One person thinks about 100k as a “big number”, while another one has different views..... and 10mln for him/her is a “small number”..... But this is NOT the point.

The basic point is that a loss of several bln in kpn cap (price drop from 9-8 to 2.7-2.5) had to be accepted by somebody..... It’s not so easy if you have only few investors. But much easy, if you can spread those losses among larger number of smaller participants – each particular “loss” becomes much smaller and could be “acceptable” (under certain circumstances)......

isn't that the reason we all look at the percentages instead of actual numbers? ;)
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We tested the PP (1.631) line. As it was not broken down - the positive sentiment was not changed.

We are at the lower border (~1.637 currently) of our old rising channel. The crucial “decision” point is M+ (1.645)
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SNSN schreef op 4 juli 2013 12:00:

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When you talk about “big” and “small” – different people often think about very different stuff......

It’s like usual – “for whom how”. One person thinks about 100k as a “big number”, while another one has different views..... and 10mln for him/her is a “small number”..... But this is NOT the point.

The basic point is that a loss of several bln in kpn cap (price drop from 9-8 to 2.7-2.5) had to be accepted by somebody..... It’s not so easy if you have only few investors. But much easy, if you can spread those losses among larger number of smaller participants – each particular “loss” becomes much smaller and could be “acceptable” (under certain circumstances)......

Big investors lose big, small investors lose small.

How John Paulson Lost $630 Million
The hedge fund manager's position in the SPDR Gold Trust made up 44% of his company's assets, and with the price of gold down 30% from 2011 highs, Paulson has lost big time.

www.minyanville.com/trading-and-inves...
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Kwoque schreef op 4 juli 2013 12:05:

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isn't that the reason we all look at the percentages instead of actual numbers? ;)
Hij denkt dat wij stom zijn, haha.
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B_B schreef op 4 juli 2013 12:01:

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"standard trading strategy" does not work anymore.

For whom how....

For traders - it does.... and very well - even if it's a fake trend - the "trend is your friend".....
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Kwoque schreef op 4 juli 2013 12:05:

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isn't that the reason we all look at the percentages instead of actual numbers? ;)
Not exactly, the geographical distribution has very little to do with this issue...

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Eurowin schreef op 4 juli 2013 12:30:

Ik wil drank!!!
Haha, een borrel op het komende feest...
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SNSN schreef op 4 juli 2013 12:15:

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For whom how....

For traders - it does.... and very well - even if it's a fake trend - the "trend is your friend".....
Niemand kan vooruitzien.
Alleen in de toekomst kunnen we zien wat de trend was.
TA loopt altijd achter de feiten aan, kan niet het omslagpunt voorspellen.
Bij beleggen moet je weten wanneer de trend verandert (omslagpunt).

Lunchtijd!
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SNSN schreef op 4 juli 2013 12:00:

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When you talk about “big” and “small” – different people often think about very different stuff......

It’s like usual – “for whom how”. One person thinks about 100k as a “big number”, while another one has different views..... and 10mln for him/her is a “small number”..... But this is NOT the point.

The basic point is that a loss of several bln in kpn cap (price drop from 9-8 to 2.7-2.5) had to be accepted by somebody..... It’s not so easy if you have only few investors. But much easy, if you can spread those losses among larger number of smaller participants – each particular “loss” becomes much smaller and could be “acceptable” (under certain circumstances)......

:) you must be a politician, with this reasoning you can always predict you are right (due to subjective reasoning), but equally you are wrong (In Dutch this is a school example of "recht praten wat krom is"). In a nutshell the 60% you mentioned is irrelevant as it doesnt say anything if you do not specify what it refers to. Yes you are partly right that players in the market can play with the price, but simply due to fundamental weaknesses in the KPN stock (no dividend, rights issue, financial problems, downwards trend in income level etc).

The fact that the possibility is linked 100% with relative small players (whatever the definition of this may be) I do not agree on. Yes a player with relative low position could easier decide to take loss, but the same sort of reasoning you can apply for hypothetical player with relative large position in for example KPN (but than the other way around).
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