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TomTom verklaart maandag tegenover onder meer ABM Financial News dat het persbericht 'voorbarig' was

Voorbarig is ook een mooi woord om te gebruiken als je iets niet ontkent.
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inspirator schreef op 6 november 2014 20:54:



De onmogelijke shortpositie in TomTom gaat (vroeg of iets later) de shorters opbreken.
Nog 15 miljoen TomTom aandelen te coveren.

- optieregelingen TomTom management gaat koers TomTom opdrijven
- resultaatverbetering drijft koers op (30 euro)b
- koersadvies Rabobank 7,40 euro, SNS 8,20 euro
- veel nieuwe deals TomTom agelopen tijd
- Volkswagendeal is al aangekondigd, alleen nog geen bevestiging Volkswagen

De shorters graven voor zichzelf een steeds dieper graf.
Begrafenis van de shorters is dan ook aanstaande.
Doodvonnis shorters is getekend; alleen de datum is nog onbekend.

Hedge-fund managers are quite expensive and the predictability of them making money in good times and bad seems to be very poor.

Grave digging van TomTom shorters.
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ING ziet veel overnamekandidaten

woensdag 10 april 2013
ING presenteerde begin deze week naast zijn lijst van favoriete aandelen van de Benelux ook een lijst van potentiële overnamekandidaten die genoteerd staan op de Amsterdamse beurs, verdeeld over 5 categorieën. Naast bekende namen staan er ook een aantal verrassingen op, waarvan de kans volgens de analisten groot is dat zij worden overgenomen.

Overnamekandidaten

ING heeft naast zijn favorietenlijst ook een aantal mogelijke overnamekandidaten op een rij gezet, verdeeld over 5 categorieën; groot, middelgroot-groot, middelgroot, laag-middelgroot en laag.

Grontmij-kantoor
Grontmij overnamekandidaat

Volgens de analisten zijn Ziggo, Grontmij, Galapagos en CSM bedrijven waarvan de kans groot is dat ze binnen niet al te lange tijd worden overgenomen. Sommige namen zijn niet verrassend. Zo nam UPC-eigenaar Liberty Global eind maart een belang van 12,65% in Ziggo, terwijl de eigenaren van Ziggo juist hun inbreng in het bedrijf recent fors hebben teruggebracht.

De tweede categorie zijn bedrijven waarvan de kans middelgroot tot groot is dat zij worden overgenomen. Hierin zitten AMG, Brunel, TNT Express en Unit4. TNT Express zag een overname door UPS dit jaar nog worden afgeketst, maar ING verwacht dus dat er nog meer kapers op de kust zijn.

Middelgrote overnamekans

Verder vallen Aperam, Arseus, KPN en TomTom in de categorie aandelen waarvan de kans middelgroot is dat zij worden overgenomen. TomTom wordt regelmatig genoemd in het geruchtencircuit, maar vooralsnog is er nog nooit een concreet bod op het bedrijf gedaan.

Daarnaast zijn Besi, Exact en USG People aandelen waarvan de kans laag tot middelgroot is dat zij worden overgenomen. Exact zit momenteel in een overgangsfase richting meer online oplossingen, maar als zij dit succesvol weten af te ronden zou het een interessante overnamekandidaat kunnen zijn.

Kleine kans

Tot slot zijn Wolters Kluwer, Wessanen, Sligro, Ten Cate, Ordina, Nutreco, Kendrion, Imtech, Heijmans, Beter Bed, Bam, Ballast Nedam, Ahold, Acomo en Aalberts bedrijven waarvan de kans klein is dat ze worden overgenomen, maar iets wat volgens ING niet mag worden uitgesloten.

Reeds overname bod op Nutreco; had kleine kans op overname.

TomTom heeft daarentegen middelgrote kans op overname.

Balimoney
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DirkFrank schreef op 10 november 2014 09:32:

lekker actueel
Hij moet steeds dieper graven om zijn argumenten kracht bij te zetten...
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DeZwarteRidder schreef op 10 november 2014 10:41:

q
q dank houd het hier maar bij
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inspirator schreef op 10 november 2014 08:16:

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Hedge-fund managers are quite expensive and the predictability of them making money in good times and bad seems to be very poor.

Grave digging van TomTom shorters.
Short Selling: The Risks

Now that we've introduced short selling, let's make one thing clear: shorting is risky. Actually, we'll rephrase that. Shorting is very, very risky. It's not unlike running with the bulls in Spain: you can either have a great time, or you can get trampled.

You can think of the outcome of a short sale as basically the opposite of a regular buy transaction, but the mechanics behind a short sale result in some unique risks.


Short selling is a gamble. History has shown that, in general, stocks have an upward drift. Over the long run, most stocks appreciate in price. For that matter, even if a company barely improves over the years, inflation should drive its stock price up somewhat. What this means is that shorting is betting against the overall direction of the market.

So, if the direction is generally upward, keeping a short position open for a long period can become very risky. (To learn more, read Stocks Are No.1 and The Stock Market: A Look Back.)

Losses can be infinite. When you short sell, your losses can be infinite. A short sale loses when the stock price rises and a stock is (theoretically, at least) not limited in how high it can go. For example, if you short 100 shares at $65 each hoping to make a profit but the shares increase to $90 apiece, you end up losing $2,500. On the other hand, a stock can't go below 0, so your upside is limited. Bottom line: you can lose more than you initially invest, but the best you can earn is a 100% gain if a company goes out of business and the stock loses its entire value.

Shorting stocks involves using borrowed money. This is known as margin trading. When short selling, you open a margin account, which allows you to borrow money from the brokerage firm using your investment as collateral. Just as when you go long on margin, it's easy for losses to get out of hand because you must meet the minimum maintenance requirement of 25%. If your account slips below this, you'll be subject to a margin call, and you'll be forced to put in more cash or liquidate your position. (We won't cover margin in detail here, but you can read more in our Margin Trading tutorial.)

Short squeezes can wring the profit out of your investment. When stock prices go up short seller losses get higher, as sellers rush to buy the stock to cover their positions. This rush creates a high demand for the stock quickly driving up the price even further. This phenomenon is known as a short squeeze. Usually, news in the market will trigger a short squeeze, but sometimes traders who notice a large number of shorts in a stock will attempt to induce one. This is why it's not a good idea to short a stock with high short interest. A short squeeze is a great way to lose a lot of money extremely fast. (To learn more, see Short Squeeze The Last Drop Of Profit From Market Moves.)

Even if you're right, it could be at the wrong time. The final and largest complication is being right too soon. Even though a company is overvalued, it could conceivably take a while to come back down. In the meantime, you are vulnerable to interest, margin calls and being called away. Academics and traders alike have tried for years to come up with explanations as to why a stock's market price varies from its intrinsic value. They have yet to come up with a model that works all the time, and probably never will.

Take the dotcom bubble, for example. Sure, you could have made a killing if you shorted at the market top in the beginning of 2000, but many believed that stocks were grossly overvalued even a year earlier. You'd be in the poorhouse now if you had shorted the Nasdaq in 1999! That's when the Nasdaq was up 86%, although two-thirds of the stocks declined. This is contrary to the popular belief that pre-1999 valuations more accurately reflected the Nasdaq. However, it wasn't until three years later, in 2002, that the Nasdaq returned to 1999 levels.

Momentum is a funny thing. Whether in physics or the stock market, it's something you don't want to stand in front of. All it takes is one big shorting mistake to kill you. Just as you wouldn't jump in front of a pack of stampeding bulls, don't fight against the trend of a hot stock.
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inspirator schreef op 10 november 2014 19:10:

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Short Selling: The Risks

Now that we've introduced short selling, let's make one thing clear: shorting is risky. Actually, we'll rephrase that. Shorting is very, very risky. It's not unlike running with the bulls in Spain: you can either have a great time, or you can get trampled.

You can think of the outcome of a short sale as basically the opposite of a regular buy transaction, but the mechanics behind a short sale result in some unique risks.


Short selling is a gamble. History has shown that, in general, stocks have an upward drift. Over the long run, most stocks appreciate in price. For that matter, even if a company barely improves over the years, inflation should drive its stock price up somewhat. What this means is that shorting is betting against the overall direction of the market.

So, if the direction is generally upward, keeping a short position open for a long period can become very risky. (To learn more, read Stocks Are No.1 and The Stock Market: A Look Back.)

Losses can be infinite. When you short sell, your losses can be infinite. A short sale loses when the stock price rises and a stock is (theoretically, at least) not limited in how high it can go. For example, if you short 100 shares at $65 each hoping to make a profit but the shares increase to $90 apiece, you end up losing $2,500. On the other hand, a stock can't go below 0, so your upside is limited. Bottom line: you can lose more than you initially invest, but the best you can earn is a 100% gain if a company goes out of business and the stock loses its entire value.

Shorting stocks involves using borrowed money. This is known as margin trading. When short selling, you open a margin account, which allows you to borrow money from the brokerage firm using your investment as collateral. Just as when you go long on margin, it's easy for losses to get out of hand because you must meet the minimum maintenance requirement of 25%. If your account slips below this, you'll be subject to a margin call, and you'll be forced to put in more cash or liquidate your position. (We won't cover margin in detail here, but you can read more in our Margin Trading tutorial.)

Short squeezes can wring the profit out of your investment. When stock prices go up short seller losses get higher, as sellers rush to buy the stock to cover their positions. This rush creates a high demand for the stock quickly driving up the price even further. This phenomenon is known as a short squeeze. Usually, news in the market will trigger a short squeeze, but sometimes traders who notice a large number of shorts in a stock will attempt to induce one. This is why it's not a good idea to short a stock with high short interest. A short squeeze is a great way to lose a lot of money extremely fast. (To learn more, see Short Squeeze The Last Drop Of Profit From Market Moves.)

Even if you're right, it could be at the wrong time. The final and largest complication is being right too soon. Even though a company is overvalued, it could conceivably take a while to come back down. In the meantime, you are vulnerable to interest, margin calls and being called away. Academics and traders alike have tried for years to come up with explanations as to why a stock's market price varies from its intrinsic value. They have yet to come up with a model that works all the time, and probably never will.

Take the dotcom bubble, for example. Sure, you could have made a killing if you shorted at the market top in the beginning of 2000, but many believed that stocks were grossly overvalued even a year earlier. You'd be in the poorhouse now if you had shorted the Nasdaq in 1999! That's when the Nasdaq was up 86%, although two-thirds of the stocks declined. This is contrary to the popular belief that pre-1999 valuations more accurately reflected the Nasdaq. However, it wasn't until three years later, in 2002, that the Nasdaq returned to 1999 levels.

Momentum is a funny thing. Whether in physics or the stock market, it's something you don't want to stand in front of. All it takes is one big shorting mistake to kill you. Just as you wouldn't jump in front of a pack of stampeding bulls, don't fight against the trend of a hot stock.

TomTom NV (TOM2), the Dutch supplier of navigation applications for Apple Inc. (AAPL)’s iPhone 5, rose the most in almost eight weeks after an analyst at Rabobank International said the U.S. company may make a takeover bid.

There’s a 30 percent chance that Cupertino, California- based Apple will seek a purchase because the Dutch software maker has the capacity to make speedy changes to correct any mapping errors or create new functions, Hans Slob, an Utrecht, Netherlands-based analyst at Rabobank, said in today in a research report.

“TomTom needs the cash from Apple, and Apple needs the know-how of TomTom,” said Slob, who estimated Apple would pay a price of as much as 10 euros per share for the supplier. A takeover is also a “royal way out” for the Dutch company’s founders.
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Binnenkort kun je een 0 van de 30 afhalen. Dan staat het op 3 als dit zo doorgaat.
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De titel van dit draadje blijft totaal bespottelijk. Waarschijnlijker is dat zelfs de 8 Euro nooit meer gehaald wordt, daar zorgt dhr. Goddijn wel voor.
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Inspirator is niet gevoelig voor grootpraters die hun betoog houden op basis van hun grote shortbroeders.
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inspirator schreef op 10 november 2014 19:10:

[...]

Short Selling: The Risks

Now that we've introduced short selling, let's make one thing clear: shorting is risky. Actually, we'll rephrase that. Shorting is very, very risky. It's not unlike running with the bulls in Spain: you can either have a great time, or you can get trampled.

You can think of the outcome of a short sale as basically the opposite of a regular buy transaction, but the mechanics behind a short sale result in some unique risks.


Short selling is a gamble. History has shown that, in general, stocks have an upward drift. Over the long run, most stocks appreciate in price. For that matter, even if a company barely improves over the years, inflation should drive its stock price up somewhat. What this means is that shorting is betting against the overall direction of the market.

So, if the direction is generally upward, keeping a short position open for a long period can become very risky. (To learn more, read Stocks Are No.1 and The Stock Market: A Look Back.)

Losses can be infinite. When you short sell, your losses can be infinite. A short sale loses when the stock price rises and a stock is (theoretically, at least) not limited in how high it can go. For example, if you short 100 shares at $65 each hoping to make a profit but the shares increase to $90 apiece, you end up losing $2,500. On the other hand, a stock can't go below 0, so your upside is limited. Bottom line: you can lose more than you initially invest, but the best you can earn is a 100% gain if a company goes out of business and the stock loses its entire value.

Shorting stocks involves using borrowed money. This is known as margin trading. When short selling, you open a margin account, which allows you to borrow money from the brokerage firm using your investment as collateral. Just as when you go long on margin, it's easy for losses to get out of hand because you must meet the minimum maintenance requirement of 25%. If your account slips below this, you'll be subject to a margin call, and you'll be forced to put in more cash or liquidate your position. (We won't cover margin in detail here, but you can read more in our Margin Trading tutorial.)

Short squeezes can wring the profit out of your investment. When stock prices go up short seller losses get higher, as sellers rush to buy the stock to cover their positions. This rush creates a high demand for the stock quickly driving up the price even further. This phenomenon is known as a short squeeze. Usually, news in the market will trigger a short squeeze, but sometimes traders who notice a large number of shorts in a stock will attempt to induce one. This is why it's not a good idea to short a stock with high short interest. A short squeeze is a great way to lose a lot of money extremely fast. (To learn more, see Short Squeeze The Last Drop Of Profit From Market Moves.)

Even if you're right, it could be at the wrong time. The final and largest complication is being right too soon. Even though a company is overvalued, it could conceivably take a while to come back down. In the meantime, you are vulnerable to interest, margin calls and being called away. Academics and traders alike have tried for years to come up with explanations as to why a stock's market price varies from its intrinsic value. They have yet to come up with a model that works all the time, and probably never will.

Take the dotcom bubble, for example. Sure, you could have made a killing if you shorted at the market top in the beginning of 2000, but many believed that stocks were grossly overvalued even a year earlier. You'd be in the poorhouse now if you had shorted the Nasdaq in 1999! That's when the Nasdaq was up 86%, although two-thirds of the stocks declined. This is contrary to the popular belief that pre-1999 valuations more accurately reflected the Nasdaq. However, it wasn't until three years later, in 2002, that the Nasdaq returned to 1999 levels.

Momentum is a funny thing. Whether in physics or the stock market, it's something you don't want to stand in front of. All it takes is one big shorting mistake to kill you. Just as you wouldn't jump in front of a pack of stampeding bulls, don't fight against the trend of a hot stock.

A pack of stampeding bulls kills the shorters.
VanillaSky
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inspirator schreef op 8 november 2011 20:57:

laatste stuiptrekkingen van shorters op wankele basis van schuldencrisis

proficiat TT met geweldige transitie in korte tijd !

persberichten vandaag bevestigen onstuimige groei TT op alle terreinen
- consumer: China veroveren met pnd's
- automotive: Opel als klant verworven voor navi inbouw
- business solutions: introduktie webfleetmobile

wat is de volgende deal (een per dag is voldoende) ?
- androidnavigatieversie en/of turnbyturnavigatie voor apple iphone
- of nog een autofabrikant aan de haak slaan

onmogelijk geachte winstgroei TT wordt werkelijkheid in toekomst:

winstprognose 2011 > 100 miljoen
winstprognose 2012 > 250 miljoen --> 1,25 euro per aandeel
winstprognose 2013 > 500 miljoen --> 2,5 euro per aandeel
winstprognose 2014 3 euro per aandeel (schuldpositie afgebouwd)

met koers/winstverhouding van 10 = 30 euro waarde per aandeel TT

volgende aandeelhoudersvergadering dividenduitkering op de agenda !

Deze er nog maar eens bijhalen. Verder kun je er haast niet naast zitten. Die zogenaamde 100mio netto winst gaat wellicht gehaald worden in 2018/2019 eerder niet. En gezien dat nog behoorlijk ver weg is blijft het behoorlijk koffiedik kijken en niet zonder risico's.

Een realistische prognose:

2015 omzet 980 mio --> winst circa 50 mio
2016 omzet 1.000 mio --> winst circa 65 mio
2017 omzet 1.050 mio --> winst circa 80 mio

Hierbij dient vermeld te worden dat zelfs ik keer op keer te positief ben, dus ik sta er niet van te kijken wanneer bovenstaande neerwaarts bijgesteld moet worden richting de toekomst!
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VanillaSky schreef op 10 november 2014 21:18:

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Deze er nog maar eens bijhalen. Verder kun je er haast niet naast zitten. Die zogenaamde 100mio netto winst gaat wellicht gehaald worden in 2018/2019 eerder niet. En gezien dat nog behoorlijk ver weg is blijft het behoorlijk koffiedik kijken en niet zonder risico's.

Een realistische prognose:

2015 omzet 980 mio --> winst circa 50 mio
2016 omzet 1.000 mio --> winst circa 65 mio
2017 omzet 1.050 mio --> winst circa 80 mio

Hierbij dient vermeld te worden dat zelfs ik keer op keer te positief ben, dus ik sta er niet van te kijken wanneer bovenstaande neerwaarts bijgesteld moet worden richting de toekomst!
Inspirator had VanillaSky 'hoger' ingeschat qua TomTom kennis.

In 2012 werd al 129 miljoen winst geboekt door TomTom (voorspelling Inspirator 100 miljoen)

Xiut is nog een nieuweling; staan bekend dat ze maar wat roeptoeteren.

By the way; stadium is ook bereikt van:
- schuldenvrij
- volgend jaar dividend
- alleen winstprognose heeft wat vertraging, maar het is nog geen 2016
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Morgen afspraakje met Bisera Grubesic +31 (0) 20 75 75 194

Ben graag haar investor relation.

corporate.tomtom.com/investorContacts...

Benieuwd wanneer TomTom - Volkswagendeal wordt aangekondigd.
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VanillaSky schreef op 10 november 2014 21:18:

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Deze er nog maar eens bijhalen. Verder kun je er haast niet naast zitten. Die zogenaamde 100mio netto winst gaat wellicht gehaald worden in 2018/2019 eerder niet. En gezien dat nog behoorlijk ver weg is blijft het behoorlijk koffiedik kijken en niet zonder risico's.

Een realistische prognose:

2015 omzet 980 mio --> winst circa 50 mio
2016 omzet 1.000 mio --> winst circa 65 mio
2017 omzet 1.050 mio --> winst circa 80 mio

Hierbij dient vermeld te worden dat zelfs ik keer op keer te positief ben, dus ik sta er niet van te kijken wanneer bovenstaande neerwaarts bijgesteld moet worden richting de toekomst!
Ik ben net als jij telkenmale veel te vroeg positief geweest.
De uitspraak van HG bij de 3q cc dat er pas in 2016 omzetgroei valt te verwachten ondanks alle nieuwe gesloten deals en een uitpuilend orderboek viel mij wederom flink tegen.

Tegenover de magere realisatie en verwachting van omzet en daardoor winst staat de excellente ontwikkeling in CASH.

Ik heb daarom eens getracht om te benaderen wat de nieuwe deals in het nieuw ontwikkelde deferred revenue system opleveren aan omzet.

In het deferred revenue draadje zie je de uitkomsten.

Werkelijk frappant dat het inderdaad t/m 2015 hoegenaamd geen nieuwe omzet oplevert. Wel flinke toename in deferred total dus Cash.
Pas vanaf 2016 zien we omzetten de v&w rekening binnen komen die er toe doen.
2016 121 mio, 2017 250 mio en 2018 350 mio.

Ik begrijp nu beter waarom de cash al wel zeer goede resultaten laat zien maar dat dat nog volledig ontbreekt bij de omzet en de daarvan afgeleide winst.

Geduld is nodig, maar juist het repeteereffect in het automotive segment door de jaarlijkse leveringen zullen een ongekende boost aan cash, omzet en winst geven vanaf 2016.



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TomTom is een goudmijn, echter de ingang wordt bewaakt door de shorters.
Net als de muur, gaan deze shorters vallen.

reminder:

TomTom had in 2008 nog 1,4 miljard euro schuld

In 2014 is TomTom schuldenvrij.

TomTom realiseert vermogensopbouw van 280 miljoen euro per jaar.

Nu TomTom schuldenvrij is gaat vermogensopbouw ten goed komen aan aandeelhouders.

Maw TomTom geeft jaarlijks rendement van 24% bij huidige beurskoers

Bij een koers 30 euro p/a TomTom is jaarrendement 4%.

Nieuwe optieregelingen management op juiste moment geintroduceerd± prima stimulator voor koersopdrijving TomTom.

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